Comments on: Attack on Exchange Servers Gives Impetus to Move Email to the Cloud https://practical365.com/attack-exchange-impetus-move-cloud/ Practical Office 365 News, Tips, and Tutorials Thu, 18 Nov 2021 22:34:10 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.2 By: Tony Redmond https://practical365.com/attack-exchange-impetus-move-cloud/#comment-237133 Thu, 18 Nov 2021 22:34:10 +0000 https://practical365.com/?p=50336#comment-237133 In reply to Jonathan.

After working with Exchange since 1995 or thereabouts, all I can do is report the situation as I see it.

Yes, there are organizations capable of running secure Exchange on-premises deployment that suit the requirements of their users very well. There’s no doubt about that. But what has become horribly obvious over since March is two facts. First, there’s a very large set of Exchange on-premises servers which are not being well managed and are increasingly vulnerable as time passes. The users of those servers would be better off in the cloud. At least they’d be safer.

Second, Microsoft’s failure to deliver the committed next version of Exchange Server leads me to think that maybe the sands of time are running out faster than anticipated for these servers.

Office 365 is not for everyone. It is frustrating as hell at times and Microsoft’s quality in some parts is poor. Unbelievably poor. But overall, I consider it the best solution for email today. Again, I can only say it as I see it.

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By: Jonathan https://practical365.com/attack-exchange-impetus-move-cloud/#comment-237132 Thu, 18 Nov 2021 22:24:19 +0000 https://practical365.com/?p=50336#comment-237132 I appreciate you Tony for sticking up for us Exchange Admins. In all honesty, what aggravates me the most being an Exchange Admin for past 12 years on articles like this is, sure there is some value and benefit to moving to the cloud in some scenarios, for others on-prem it’s still more cost effective for one to stay on-prem, and while the cloud software may be watched closer and patched more frequently, the security argument seems to only apply to the product itself. We were protected from Hafnium because of Geo-Protect and IPS on our firewall. If you have in place the right stuff, it’s just as secure as the cloud if not even more secure. I mean, someone is going to find a hole in a product whether it’s cloud or on-prem. There are always vulnerabilities.

But what does truly aggravates me even more with an article like this stating O365 is the ONLY option and not vouching for making a better more secure on-prem solution. I mean if MS had the model of “you’re the customer, you have the choice of our cloud or on-prem”, no matter which one you choose they will encourage based off of what you the customer wants and will listen to their customers. MS seems to have forgotten that concept when there are so many of us still looking for on-prem because of it’s benefits over the cloud. It’s aggravating to not see both options pitched and helping the customer decide which is better. Their model is O365 is the better choice when it always isn’t.

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By: Tony Redmond https://practical365.com/attack-exchange-impetus-move-cloud/#comment-233996 Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:21:29 +0000 https://practical365.com/?p=50336#comment-233996 In reply to Pascal.

Fair point. However, I still hold to my position that many companies would be better to run email in the cloud. We’ll discuss the issues on Thursday at this online event: https://www.binarytree.com/event/exchange-server-exploits-experts-discuss-why-cloud-email-can-be-more-s8147931/

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By: Pascal https://practical365.com/attack-exchange-impetus-move-cloud/#comment-233995 Tue, 16 Mar 2021 07:11:14 +0000 https://practical365.com/?p=50336#comment-233995 https://practical365.com/blog/azure-ad-outage-march-15-2021/

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By: Tony Redmond https://practical365.com/attack-exchange-impetus-move-cloud/#comment-233942 Thu, 11 Mar 2021 14:09:44 +0000 https://practical365.com/?p=50336#comment-233942 In reply to MediocreCheese.

It’s always good to consider the alternatives which are available and to understand the costs and technical implications of moving platforms.

The problem for the on-premises base is that it’s declining. Microsoft is a commercial organization and its focus is therefore on the part of the business which generates returns for shareholders, and that’s the cloud. As the number of on-premises seats declines further, Microsoft has an interesting balancing act to perform to keep some large on-premises organizations happy while not investing too high an amount of engineering resources. We’ll see how that goes over time.

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By: MediocreCheese https://practical365.com/attack-exchange-impetus-move-cloud/#comment-233941 Thu, 11 Mar 2021 14:01:55 +0000 https://practical365.com/?p=50336#comment-233941 The push for the cloud will probably keep me even busier than usual this year, but I’m not comfortable with MS owning everything. M365 itself can and will likely be exploited. It’s a matter of time. Can anyone compete with M365’s security and feature sets at the perimeter? Probably not.

It’s obvious that MS is wanting out of the on-premises Exchange world with the release of 2019 and licensing requirements even if just running hybrid.

This has me considering researching some open source mail platforms, because I have a feeling those will also be embraced by firms who see this exploit as a failure of MS themselves and will be against migrating to their cloud environment.

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By: Tony Redmond https://practical365.com/attack-exchange-impetus-move-cloud/#comment-233912 Wed, 10 Mar 2021 13:23:02 +0000 https://practical365.com/?p=50336#comment-233912 In reply to Petri.

I would also point out that although I have close connections to Microsoft, I never hesitate to call them out when things go wrong. See https://practical365.com/blog/exchange-hcw-replaced/ as an example.

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By: Tony Redmond https://practical365.com/attack-exchange-impetus-move-cloud/#comment-233911 Wed, 10 Mar 2021 13:21:11 +0000 https://practical365.com/?p=50336#comment-233911 In reply to Petri.

I don’t know how long a message can be. But in any case, short and sweet is the best way to get your point across.

It’s true that I have been focused on cloud services since 2015 or thereabouts, but I have worked with on-premises technology since my first email server in 1982, so I think I have balance. I understand the challenges that you outline, but I do think that companies who can’t maintain on-premises servers should be in the cloud because sooner or later they will have a security problem.

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By: Tony Redmond https://practical365.com/attack-exchange-impetus-move-cloud/#comment-233910 Wed, 10 Mar 2021 13:18:54 +0000 https://practical365.com/?p=50336#comment-233910 In reply to Petri.

Couple of things to consider:

First, I don’t think Microsoft has shown much appetite for increasing cloud prices for basic services like EXO. They haven’t since 2011. What they will do is try to upsell higher price plans and add-ons, just like EA Games will try to sell you a new player in FIFA 2021.

Second, there’s a bunch of “go local” datacenters deployed at country level which allow organizations to keep their data in that country. Sure, the US government might try to do something bizarre, but that might also affect on-premises software. It’s not so long ago since the encryption technology in Outlook was considered a state secret in some countries…

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By: Petri https://practical365.com/attack-exchange-impetus-move-cloud/#comment-233909 Wed, 10 Mar 2021 13:16:02 +0000 https://practical365.com/?p=50336#comment-233909 You are very true that, this case unfortunately highlighted that companies have troubles to keep their servers updated. Reasons for that are many: money, time, skills, priorities. I believe, this incident gives them a tiny boost to patching all. But that will not solve the fundamental issues.

There are also other services where remote control is still based on default passwords, databases are open to internet etc. We should not forgot them either. We perhaps could ask also, how many of those Exchange servers being open to anywhere to internet must be open (port 443)? Or have they just followed Microsoft best practices?

Can I also ask, have you been too long time surrounded by Microsoft speaks, and having hard to see no more than O365 as a solution? ;-D But seriously, perhaps there should be some reminders of how companies are able to keep their platforms updated as they should.

ps. you should have counter which shows how long messages we could write on here 🙂

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